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really appreciate it. >> thank you, john. a reminder, don't miss "full circle" our interactive newscast on facebook. watch it weeknights at 6:25 eastern. the news continues so i'll handing it over to chris. "cuomo primetime" starts right now. welcome to "primetime." the president finally spoke out about the border. he seems to want you to believe the barbarians are at the gate and the answer is to crack down. he said he might shut down the border next week to hurt mexico. he even suggests our country would profit from a border shutdown. your bs detector going off? good. i'll show you the facts versus his fiction. potus is expected to cling to his wall fixes and fantasy. but where's congress? they know what's going on. why is no one raising a voice or a hand to do something? i've got people in power on both
sides to get that answered. and there's breaking news on what the mueller report -- how much you'll get to say and when. there's good and bad news in that and we're going to test both. there's too much at stake to take a friday night off, so let's get after it. our president declared a national emergency, but he isn't doing anything to help what is overwhelming our border agencies right now. instead, his solution is this. >> mexico is going to have to do something, otherwise i'm closing the border. i can't imagine it being any worse than it is right now. so there's a very good likelihood that i'll be closing the border next week, and that will be just fine with me. >> if he can't imagine it, then he should talk to the people from commerce and from border security so they can give him the facts and then he will be able to imagine it. he's made this threat before. now, though, he's setting a timeline. his fix won't fix the problem, and congress has to know this.
but they seem awfully quiet. why? let's bring in a republican from a border state, chip roy of texas, house oversight member, friend of show. good to see you, congressman. >> chris, good to be on on a friday evening. you're right, it's too important for us to take the night off. i appreciate the opportunity to join you. >> appreciate you taking it. now, let's stipulate i am not somebody who has pushed back against the president wanting a wall or physical barriers. i say if the men and women in charge down there say they need them, it's a political question of where, how much, what priori priority. that's always been my position. now, my reporting strongly suggests that while they say, yes, a wall will help, they were asking for other things that they said they needed desperately because of exactly what's happening now and they didn't get what they needed. am i right? >> well, you're 100% right that the border patrol agents who are down there dealing with this, what is definitely an emergency
at our border, they wanted a whole lot of things. but in fairness, what the president put forward in january and what i think a lot of republicans were talking about, i know i was, is the need for judges, the need for more beds, the need for more technology, the need for more fencing, the need for more roads lateral to the river, and a lot of resources beyond just the fence. now, the fence, the wall, whatever you want to call it obviously was the headline point. but what the president put forward was a comprehensive plan. what i know i was asking for was comprehensive. and if you talk to border patrol right now, they'll tell you they still need all of the above. and what we're seeing right now, as you know, is an unbelievable wave of people. border patrol says that march we're going to have upwards of 100,000 illegal crossings. >> a number not seen since 2008. although we have lived through this before. one point of pushback and we'll see how we move forward. i'll argue the president never prioritized the wall versus all these other needs. he was all in on the wall, he
sold it as a panacea in favor of a crisis that i don't believe ever existed. i don't believe that drugs and terror and murderers are what they're worried about at the border. they come through but their main concern is what they're seeing right now, congressmen. they were worried about these kids and fragile populations where they have nowhere to put them and no way to process them. they're doing catch and release in ways they have never done it before. not because they want to. the president said they want to do catch and release. they're his people. he's they. they have no other choice. i believe that priorities matter. >> chris, let me agree and disagree, okay? >> please. >> i think what you're saying in terms of the children and the crisis we have at the border, the migrants who seek to come here who are endangered, the stash houses at houston where they're paying ransom back to the cartel, the women and girls abused on the journey, now we're dealing with unbelievable numbers. border patrol now, they're actually catching and releasing them before they ever get to
i.c. empt i.c.e., they're so overwhelmed. the cartels are profiting by moving people. the reynoso will move people through the rio grande valley. you and i are agreeing we have a humanitarian crisis, a crisis of children, but we cannot discount the dangerous individuals, the rise of ms-13, the extent to which as i said the cartels are now endangering the people at the border. >> but they're coming -- >> it's more dangerous than hahn duras. >> they're coming legally, they're coming illegally, they're coming with cartels, they're coming in caravans from ngos, they're coming alone, a myriad different ways. >> well, they are but -- >> go ahead, please make your point. >> they are, but they're heavily driven -- this is a profit model that the cartels have. they have a whole business model. >> i know, but if you talk to
the guys down there and show the people in the pens in el paso and other places, it's spread to mcallen, you see it everywhere because the rules don't work. you can come in illegally. when you catch me, i can say i want asylum and i jump the line effectively. you have to change that rule. >> which gets me to my second point and i'm glad you're saying this. you're doing a good job on this issue and i appreciate it. that second point is the one that's important. >> why isn't it getting done? why is nobody talking about it? >> well, with all due respect, this is a nancy pelosi-led democrat congress in the house that refuses to address it. in fairness, i think republicans should have done it when they were in charge last year, fix the asylum process. they should have fixed the -- >> why not do it now? why don't we go down there together. i'll meet you down there, go to the border, show everybody and say the rules don't work. the rules don't work. >> i'm in. >> where are the judges? where are the resources?
have an emergency order. you've got the emergency declared. instead of moving the military to build fencing, get them over there and help process these cases. >> well, chris, i'd be happy to go to the border, let's do it. i'll talk to your producer. >> i'm the producer. i'll call you after the show. >> seriously, let's go do it. let's bring the spotlight on it. that's where i went down with my friend, dan crenshaw, why i've been talking to border patrol folks, trying to stay in touch with what's happening. i think that the administration is trying to deal with a very complex problem where they're a little bit over the barrel based on a ruling by a judge creating a catch and release situation where it's difficult to manage. >> they also prioritized the fencing over these other systematic resource issues. i get why politically, but practically now you have a problem that a wall isn't going to fix and you couldn't build it fast enough anyway. his fix now, the president's is
close the border. you know that doesn't make sense from a commerce standpoint and you know it doesn't fix this problem. i know there's an aspect of the base that will buy it but you know it's not the fix, congressman. >> well, i think the fix is zeroing in and holding and having a policy where like, for example, sylvester reyes, a democrat from el paso prior to congressman o'rourke, who helped advance what we called operation hold the line. where border patrol worked with local law enforcement and feds to hold the line on the river. that ultimately led to the fence being built in 2008, which by the way now congressman o'rourke says he doesn't want. >> first, let me get you on the record. do you think closing the border is the right thing to do and saying this is all mexico's fault, we're going to stop trade? do you think this is going to make this better? >> i don't think that anybody wants us to do something as drastic as shutting down the border. >> he just said it. >> i don't think that is the first choice. but i also think we need to do something very significant very quickly to deal with the fact that we've got a situation where
so many people are coming across the border and so many more are coming that we've got to send a signal very quickly. so we've got to work with congress. congress needs to take it very seriously. what i was about to say is that nancy pelosi and the democrats in congress have no interest in actually working to solve the problem. >> that's not what they say. >> this is real. >> they say they believe in these fixes. it was the wall being a panacea and him wanting a disproportionate amount of money for it that they founding actionable. >> what barrier -- name one barrier to nancy pelosi putting a bill on the floor of the house of representatives on monday that would solve the problem. there isn't one. there's not one single barrier. >> i don't have a problem with the criticism. you can get it faster with the emergency declaration. if republicans say mr. president, stop proposing solutions that make it worse. you're going to foment tensions with mexico. we need them. your dhs secretary went out of her way to say mexico has been a good partner with these caravans.
don't trash talk them, work with them. i just don't get why you let him go. >> i would like to be as aggressive as we can be. if it's up to me i'd be saying let's ignore the flores settlement. let's build beds, pull them together in a safe environment. make sure we don't have people abusing kids, posing as dads. >> they need people to process. >> i agree. >> they need medical. >> i agree. >> if it doesn't happen, we're going to have tragedies. >> i agree. >> chip, congressman, let's do this. i'm going to let you go. i've got a democrat coming up later on the show. he's going to get the same stick i'm swinging at you. but i'm going to contact you. i'll find out from my sources the best place to be. i'm going to go. if you want to come, you can come. >> i'm in. let's go to the border. thanks for having me on and taking this issue so seriously. we need to secure the border and do it quickly.
>> even if you don't let people in, you've got to treat them with respect. that's what this country is all about. we can be humane and be strong. >> i agree. but the border patrol is working hard to do that with the limited resources they have. >> treat it as a humanitarian issue. this is the biggest police force in the world that cbp has to oversee down there at dhs. i'm not blaming them. they are overwhelmed. they need help, not more hindrances to their work. >> let's work together to do that. chris, i appreciate it. >> done. be well and thank you for being on the show. all right, now, like i said we've got a democrat coming up. we're going to talk about mueller, how they feel about the disclosures and the different categories the a.g. says he may bar, pun intended on his name, from you ever seeing but this matters right. is roy right? are they not putting up a bill because of politics? is there more they can do about the border before we start seeing body counts? when we come back we'll debate
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the mueller report. but there's still a lot to figure out. timing is not really the issue. it's the new list of what the a.g. may not let you or congress see. barr confirmed that the special counsel's report is about 400 pages long. it includes the special counsel's findings, analysis and the reasons for his conclusions. i don't know the difference between those two but we'll see when we see it. the a.g. is also laying out what may not come out. two of the categories we already knew about. materials subject to federal rule of criminal procedure 6-e, that's grand jury testimony. it's a little complicated. somebody has to go to a judge and get clearance. he could do it, congress could do it. it really should be the a. dpnch g. in my opinion. mueller's grand jury has been in place for two years so there's a lot of people they talked to. wikileaks, paul manafort, the middle east, cambridge analytica, there's a lot in there. so this is going to be a key issue for democrats.
we're already saying keeping this stuff quiet equals a cover-up. keep in mind the grand jury information from watergate came out after a big legal fight. you know when? last year. now, one area that wasn't in the a.g.'s first letter but made sense is material that the intel community identifies as potentially compromising, sensitive sources and methods, that will likely cover most of the counterintel portion of the investigation. but i wouldn't be too freaked out about that at this point. congress will probably get briefed on that. may just be the gang of eight, certainly not you, but if they get it, it will trickle out in terms of what matters, but we have to see. then there is material that could affect ongoing matters. ongoing matters, all the investigations that have been handed over to other prosecutors. so active cases like those against roger stone and rick gates. we also know federal prosecutors are looking into the inaugural committee, campaign finance, foreign lobbying, not disclosing any of those would allow trump
folk to say, see, there's nothing to those allegations so get ready for that. it won't be accurate but it may be said. finally, here's the wild card. here's the one i'm a little concerned about. the a.g. says he would bar, living up to his name, things that would unduly infringe on the personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties. very subjectsubjective. what does that mean, peripheral third parties. which advisers? which campaign players may be off the hook because of that? barr does give himself some cover by saying the special counsel will help decide what should and should not come out. i think he's banking that people trust bob mueller and he adds that the white house won't get an early look. i findi it hard to believe that the end results will be different than the conclusions that barr drew up, that mueller wanted crimes he didn't tell us
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on sunday, the attorney general laid out two areas for possible redactions. now, it's four. the left is saying that's four too many. one is a potential show-stopper. let's see what a democrat on the house judiciary committee sees. we have congressman david cicilline. welcome back to "primetime." didn good to see you. >> we went from two to four. do you think this is the process of nailing down what needs to be done or do you think this expansion is part of a cover-up? >> no, i don't think it's nailing down. i think this is an attorney general that has tried to shape the narrative from the first day he wrote that four-page document that quoted four pieces of four different sentences of a 400-page document in an effort to try to shape the narrative. i think he felt the pushback of the american people, of the
demand for the release of the full report. so he's now trying to articulate that wasn't really a summary. i'm going to release the report, but i need to go through it for all these things. look, this report needs to be released to congress immediately in its entirety. with respect to classified information or information that needs to be protected, we reclassify documents all the time. we take an oath. we are permitted to see classified information and cannot disclose it. >> but you leak. >> it's a crime if you leak it. it ought to be released to congress. it's part of our responsibility to see this result. then if it has to be redacted to be distributed to the public, fine, take the time to do that. but this is an effort to prevent the american people from finding out the complete truth. this investigation was begun because our democracy was attacked. it was begun on behalf of the american people. they deserve to see the findings of this report and to know the truth. we are going to make sure that that happens. >> i'm with you. but two of the four -- look, i'm a journalist. i want everything to come out.
if they want the fisa applications to come out, i want it all. i'm a journalist. so the idea of counterintelligence, not unusual for them to say sources and methods have to be protected, let's give it to the gang of eight, they can tell you what you want. so that's not something they would normally give to all of congress. and stuff that's going to affect other investigations, we see that also can be a little touchy with government reports. you don't want to chill other prosecutions and wind up disrupting the wheels of justice. those aren't unreasonable, are they? >> it's unreasonable to think you can't share those with members of congress in a classified setting. we ought to see the full report, all of its contents and the supporting documents. we're not permitted to disclose classified or confidential information. it can be done in a classified setting. so my view is the full report should be released. if a redacted version has to be released to the public, of course. but we ought to see its contents in the entirety. the attorney general ought to go to court with us for release of the grand jury testimony that is essential to understanding what
happened in this investigation. >> now, what if he says no? >> well, if the attorney general says -- first of all, he hasn't said no. what i fear is he's going to produce something but it's going to be so redacted as to be meaningless. if he says no and doesn't produce the report, the chairman of our committee has already said we are prepared to issue a subpoena to compel his appearance before our committee and production of the report. >> well, he could come and say no. i'm not going to give it to you. i don't believe it's right. the judge wouldn't give it to me. you go to the judge, you talk to the judge. >> and it would then be litigated. but i believe there is a compelling public interest. there's precedent for this report. this special counsel was appointed under a regulation. the only other time a special counsel was appointed under this regulation was the branch davidian case in which the interim report and final report were released in their entirety to the public. there is certainly as much public interest in this case as there was in the branch davidian case. >> i love having you back on.
other issue. so i just had chip roy on from texas, republican, you know him. >> yes. >> he says pelosi doesn't want to do anything to do an emergency fix for what's doing on the border. she could put a bill on, she could have done it yesterday, she's not doing it. nobody is talking about this. i don't understand, why don't you guys seize the initiative here. the president has defined this crisis wrongly from the beginning. he wants to demonize the people who come across the border. his latest fix makes no sense to shut down the border. it would hurt our commerce. why don't you seize the initiative and do something? this is bad down there. >> first of all, chris, you are absolutely right. the president raises this issue every time he's feeling cornered. he uses this to ignite his base and to create excitement within his base. the democrats have been in charge in about eight weeks. we passed hr-1, the most comprehensive ethics reform since watergate. we passed universal background checks. we passed equal pay for women for equal work. we've begun hearings on
prescription drug prices. we've introduced legislation on the dream act and fixing tps. we will move forward on a comprehensive immigration bill. the fact is the president has no interest in solving this problem. >> then push the issue. >> we're going to push the issue. >> don't do comprehensive. you'll never get it done. just give them the resources they need to process the cases and talk about the asylum rules. >> chris, we did the resources. >> they need more. >> we provided resources for infrastructure at the border, for personnel, for immigration judges and we'll continue to do that. in addition we need a willingness on the part of the president to actually solve the problem, to look at the causes of the violence in the northern triangle. this is a complicated issue. democrats have put forth a number of good ideas to respond to it. the president uses it as a political issue. do you know why he's using it? because he just made a proposal to repeal health care in its entirety, for 20 million americans to lose their health insurance, lose coverage for pre-existing conditions.
so he wants to change the subject and sends out a tweet about closing the border. that's not how you solve problems. >> i'm with you about not going down the trump tunnel when he leads you in distractions. however, you've got time on the health care thing. they don't have a plan. they can say they have a plan, they don't. if they're going to work it through the courts and if he thinks he's going to get an easy win, which i don't understand, that's going to take time. this is happening now. this is bad now. he is misleading the country about it. he's pitching them a solution that won't work. there's an opportunity here for you guys. i'm telling you i'm going to go down there. i can't believe you're not acting on it. >> chris, i agree with you. i've been down there twice. we have acted on it. >> they need more. >> we gave additional resources for infrastructure, for personnel, for more judges. >> they need more. >> we'll do more but part of this is driven by a change in policy. the zero tolerance policy that is causing the prosecution of cases when people come in seeking asylum. it's a change in that policy by
this administration that is contributing to this problem. we also need to fight against those broken policies. but we're devoting resources to this. what we need is a partnership in our republican colleagues and the president to actually solve this problem. >> congressman, here's what i'm saying. i can't -- i'm not coming at you on what your arguments are. they're all salient, i get that. they're legit arguments. this is an emergency. they're holding them in pens like animals. not because they want to, because they have to. >> no, no, that's not true. >> there was a harshness. -- >> they are holding them in cages because they want to, because they changed the policy. when you came to this country previously and seeking asylum, you were processed. there was an initial determination made. then you were released pending your final hearing. >> they can't handle the flow. >> the president -- no, the president changed that policy with zero tolerance and he said we're going to prosecute you for seeking asylum. that's what changed. so he's created this humanitarian challenge at the border in large part because of
a change in policy. we've got to devote resources but we need to be smart about it. we need policies that are going to work. >> you're going to have people die down there. they can't be held in this way. >> and they shouldn't be. that's why we're fighting against that. we've devoted additional resources and will continue to do that but this requires a comprehensive fix. >> you guys can't do it. you can't get it done right now. at least deal with the -- >> we can do a comprehensive fix. you've got to stop this zero tolerance policy. >> they're letting them go now with notices to appear that aren't even filled out. they're not even giving them ankle bracelets. they're overwhelmed. >> but the department has never adjusted to the change in migration. it used to be mostly single men coming across the border. >> now they're families. >> they never made adjustments in facilities -- >> or rules. you say you want asylum, you
jump the line. >> but chris, look, we have asylum laws in this country. if you are in fact fleeing violence or persecution. >> then that's legit. but they don't have enough people to process them. they need more people to process them. >> chris, we just provided additional resources to do just that. >> it wasn't enough. >> if we need to do more, we will. but part of the problem here is dealing with the origins of the violence in the northern triangle. >> that's true. >> and a change in policy by this department of the and a set of zero tolerance policies putting a lot of people into prosecutions that previously were not. >> i understand that. but the situation is what it is. that's why i'm bringing it up. i'm very concerned. i believe we need -- >> don't -- don't accept this feigned concern of this president. every time he's feeling cornered or inville he throws out the immigration villain because it rallies his base and gets you and others talking about this on tv. >> hold on, hold on. i'm talking about groups of kids
in pens. he hasn't talked about them once. his fix is an illegitimate fix. his crisis is not a crisis. i'm not falling for anything. that's not who i am. the reality is what it is. >> his policies put those children in pens. >> and there's an opportunity for you to fix. if you're right about that you could be heroized for what you do but it takes action and takes it now. i'm going to stay on the issue. i appreciate you talking to me about it. i'll be back to you on it. david cicilline, thank you. this is what i'm saying. there's a fire, okay? what started the fire? well, this was silly that we kept on playing with matches in front of the house. and it was wrong when we decided to stack all the wood right next to the burner. we shouldn't have done it. okay. now you have a fire. put the fire out. that's why we have to go down to the border to show you what it is, talk to the people there, tell you what they need and then we'll go back to congress. i think it's the only way to do it. we can't wait for a death toll to care. you just can't. now, here's another
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let's get after it. time for a great debate. we've got howard dean and nigel. bless you, gentleman. niger, you don't believe shutting down the border, blaming mexico, starving the u.s. commerce is not the way to deal with the border, is it? >> actually believe it or not i don't believe that's the way to fix the tragedy and the crisis down there. and by the way, i don't believe the president believes that either. but i do believe the president is using this as leverage. look, mexico sends 76% of its exports to the united states. there's $600 billion in trade between the united states and
mexico. we run $100 billion trade deficit. >> 60. >> they run a $100 billion trade surplus. >> 60. >> $60 billion. let's take that figure of $60 billion. mexico definitely benefits with trade and open borders in terms of commerce. >> so do we. >> and trump is using that leverage to put pressure on them. >> howard, let me bring you in. the dhs secretary said the mexicans are helping us with the caravans. they're offering help for people, offering asylum to people, jobs in places. literally it was a thank god for mexico. i know from my reporting they have been working very hard to repair relationship with the mexicans to work on this, to work on that government. the president says something like this. niger says he doesn't believe it, it's a point of leverage. it blows up that relationship. where's the positive work? >> well, it's worse than that. i was just at a meeting of some
business executives this past monday and they're really getting hurt by the president's trade policies. this is bad for america, it's not just, you know, trying to get back at mexicans or whatever it is. this is actually hurting our economy. you know, sure, there's a lot of imports across the mexican border, but the truth is our entire supply chains are being disrupted. if he does this, there will be more lordstown closures on his watch, because a lot of our auto parts get made in mexico and come up and get put in american cars by american workers. this is just stupidity and it's typical of the trump administration. he has no idea what they're doing economically to this country. >> let's hope niger is right and it makes mexico do something now. the bigger problem for me is the president is in a box. he plays this issue just one way. brown menace, wall them off, we'll be okay. the resources that the men and women have been asking for down there, look, you heard me going at it with cicilline, the
democrat. >> absolute low. >> they need more. maybe you gave them money. it wasn't enough. they're in a really bad way. they're contacting me from all different sectors down there and saying we don't have the people to process. please, don't let the president say we want to do catch and release. we know what our orders are. we can't handle it. why isn't anybody doing anything? the president doesn't even talk about it. >> i actually couldn't agree with you more. look, jeh johnson was on another network earlier today. >> yes, msnbc on "morning joe," he was good. >> he was fantastic. what he said was a bad day when he was security chief was 1,000 per day. it's now approaching 4,000 per day. he said i don't know what the heck that would look like. he said contrary to some on the hard left, actually many on the hard left who said whenever trump talked about the border it was some fantasy made-up crisis, jeh johnson said, no, we actually do have a crisis. >> it's who the numbers are.
both are right. the flow is more than they have ever seen because they figured out how to game the system. people are desperate to want to come in. they know if you come in illegally, you get caught and claim asylum and you jump the line. but the quality of the people, the president calls them the brown menace, but he says they're terrorists, gang bangers, rapists, murderers. those numbers are not what these men and women protecting us are worried about. >> i agree. >> it's mostly families and kids. and the president can't mention it because he's not selling compassion on this issue. he can't say feel for these people. he demonizes them. he's in a box. opportunity for your side. i don't see you seizing it. howard dean, opportunity for the democrats on this. i don't see you seizing it. >> the real opportunity for the democrats is to develop a serious long-term policy which nobody has done on either side for a very long time.
why are these folks coming? they're coming because their own governments are corrupt and they are very dangerous places to live. if you thought your children were going to be murdered, you'd be doing exactly the same thing. so the real solution is to change the way we do business in latin america. woe ought not to be giving people foreign aid, we ought to do that through ngos so the governments never get their hands on it. woe ought to be much, much tougher about what we expect from these governments. we ought to cut off the funds we give to those folks and make their societies change -- >> won't you have more? >> no, you have to cut the funds off to the governments. >> right, but won't you have more despair and more desperation and more people exiting? >> the rest of my sentence before you cut me off was and then we've got to make sure that that money goes directly to the poor people who are flooding the zone. >> hard to do that -- >> to make their children safe. >> how do you do that? >> you can't do that without occupying. you have to use ngos and
probably figure out a way to have a peacekeeping force, not of american troops but other latin american countries. if you look at what's going on in latin america, a lot of it is thanks to barack obama. there's a whole group of countries down there that are one democracies, two willing to condemn maduro, which is long overdue. that wouldn't have happened 15 or 20 years ago. those kind of forces are the forces that need to take control in places like honduras and guatemala and nicaragua for that matter. >> here's what i'm saying. i don't understand how taking money from them is the answer because you want to get assets to the right people, of course, but i don't know how you can do that without control. it's a little tricky. this is what my point is. the house is on fire on the border right now. this is not the time to change our clear cutting strategies about how we weed out deadwood. this is not the time to figure out how we do better with fire preparation in the future. there's a real problem there. they need manpower.
we have an emergency declaration, niger, that the president signed. the second aspect of it is the reality right now, the humanitarian crisis of these kids and the vulnerable. but the headline is drugs and terror and that's why the military has to be mobilized to these sectors to build the wall. forget about the wall. you're not building any anyway. they have to figure out the sites. you need to give them the resources and the manpower to process these people before you start having tragedies because of containment. do you think there's any chance that happens? >> i do. i think the president is trying to push every button he possibly can to deal with an unprecedented crisis that we haven't had on the border since 2008, i believe. so i think that there is an opportunity. i think -- i'm going to shock you here. i actually agree with what howard said in his last go-around. i think that there needs to be dramatic reform in latin america in terms of these failed governments, like venezuela, for example. and i think unfortunately, though, howard is in the minority within his own party.
you have apologists within the left wing and within the democratic party that even apologize for the maduro regime. and of course part of the crisis, and by the way, there's an immigration crisis not only on our border but on the border of colombia, on the border of brazil where you have these folk fleeing this socialist paradise called venezuela and going to these other countries. >> let's ending it there and see who seizes the initiative because there's opportunity there. whoever steps up first and makes this less of a potential catastrophe, they win. let's see who wants to win more. appreciate it on a friday, look forward to having you both back. new twist tonight in the saga over the trump administration proposal to cut funds for the special olympics. the president came in and said i'll save the day. we just learned the details. we'll bring d. lemon in for a second and do a segment called 1, 2, 3. and relimsymptoms caused by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals
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dance moves, and jimmy carlyle stealing third... almost. they sent seven texts when a new friend invited nick for a play date. but in the end, they put their phones down, and watched as nick finally felt part of the team. education secretary betsy devos has been taking a lot of heat for a proposal to cut funding for the special olympics. then the president came in to save the day with this. >> i heard about it this morning. i have overridden my people. we're funding the special olympics. >> he heard about it this morning, huh? here's the truth. one, the white house budget office, not betsy devos, pushed for the cuts. by the way, that's the office run by mick mulvaney, who's also the acting white house chief of staff. i invite him on the show and he ducks me. two, our sources say that the education department kept
handing in a budget that included funding for the special olympics. three, the white house kept sending it back with the line struck through, even though there was room in the budget for it. d. lemon, 1, 2, 3. the president saying he's the hero. he's a zero on this. that's what his white house did to the budget item, zeroed it out. >> let's see if you know this. ♪ here i come to save the day who is that? >> not the president. >> that's mighty mouse. mighty mouse. listen, i don't know what to believe because all week she was sticking by the white house and really taking the heat for it, right? >> good soldier. >> she was being the good soldier after they threw her under the bus. now the reporting is that she wanted it in there all along. as a matter of fact she's donated. she's a wealthy woman. she has donated to the special olympics. and that all along she tries in all the budgets she tries to get funding for the special olympics, which by the way is not that much. it's a couple of trips to mar-a-lago. which is really the point. i think it's like four trips the
president takes to mar-a-lago, the same amount of money they put in for this. so i don't know what to believe. i would take her at her word that she would wanting it in there, but she was >> i'm not taking her at her word. i take our reporting at its word. the white house designs the budget priorities, not the cabinet. i'll tell you what, i was being facetious when i said she was being a good soldier. she works for us. she should have called it out for what it was and said if you got a problem with this, talk to the white house. i do not think anybody is doing anything for this administration, a favor, by covering for the president all the time. they should call it out. >> so this is a letter now from the a.g., a new letter, and how much of this report are we going to see? how much should we see? >> less than we want. >> which is amazing. james clapper, you know, he knows all of this stuff, right? >> yep. >> the former director of national intelligence. how much should we see, and how is this different than what happens back in the '90s with
ken starr? >> a lot. very different statute, though. different mandate for ken starr. clapper will take you through all of that. >> but there was transparency. >> there was, but they got rid of that law right and left because they didn't like that much transparency. they didn't like that starr under the statutory mandate had to give them potential impeachable information. they took that out. they streamlined it. now the democrats don't like the result. >> there you go. >> all right, brother. >> see you in a minute. all right. the border crisis, it's real. the closing is what you're being told versus the truth. simple, next. ♪ a wealth of information.
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and with a deficit like we have with mexico and have had for many years, closing the border will be a profit-making operation. >> not to give our agencies what they need, not to approach congress to debate the rules that are being abused, but to blame someone else and to mislead you in the process once again. the lies start with closing the border as an easy fix and that that hurts mexico and helps us. mexico is america's third largest trading partner, $615 billion in goods and services in year 2017. yes, there is a trade deficit, about $60 billion, $63 billion that year. but more than a million american jobs are based in u.s.-mexico trade, so where's the profit? these stats come from the government u.s. trade agency, okay? we're not making them up. case in point. remember this ugly scene with the tear gas last november, port of entry in san diego closed for six hours because of it?
that cost american businesses $5 million according to that state's governor, california. i'm going to tweet out the link to the fact sheet. look at it for yourself. the president is not telling you the truth. and he's pointing out mexico as the problem, and they're not. they're overwhelmed too, and they have a fraction of our resources. and yet the dhs secretary that this president put in place praised them for their help. look, dhs goes and stands with our mexican partners as both countries work to ensure safe, orderly, and legal migrant flows to all the members of the caravan seeking asylum, mexico has offered protection and benefits to all who qualify. he is misleading you on that and this. >> we're building the wall, but until the wall is completed -- and it's really moving along well. it's moving along rapidly. >> no new barriers have been
built under this president. zero new miles, okay? 40 miles of replacement barriers have been built or now under construction. don't take my word for it. these are pictures from dhs showing the before and after. the government shutdown, after it congress approved 55 miles of new barriers. right now the dod is scouting sites in arizona, new mexico, and texas. the best case scenario is that construction begins in may. when pressed by the media to acknowledge the situation that this isn't about some damn brown menace, it's about kids and families and being overwhelmed without resources they asked for, here's what the president said. >> one of the children, the father gave the child no water for a long period of time. he actually admitted blame. >> no, not true. he is wrongly accusing the father of something terrible, something criminal.
this is the little girl he's talking about, jack looen. you remember i told you about her when it hand, 7 years old. we learn from the el paso kworener that she died from a bacterial infection that had turned septic. read the report for yourself. i'm tweeting it out now. rose, get it done. bottom line, a wall helps in places. there's nothing wrong with building barriers where you need them. it's certainly not immoral to build. but it's not a panacea. and by putting a hyperfocus on that, by signing an emergency declaration that was all about moving the military to build instead of mobilizing them to help with what's happening now, this president contributed to this predicament. the president and congress guaranteed what you see right here. closing the border isn't the fix. neither is blaming others. use that emergency to deal with the real emergency. show the deal making power that
you brag about all the time. get these people to act. you want to get more than the base behind you, stop making excuses. make something happen here. your people are crying out for help. otherwise, the question will clearly become why did you allow this to happen. it's time for the man. "cnn tonight" with d. lemon on a friday night, what's better than that? nothing, my friends. >> people call me d. lemon on the streets all the time. >> you're welcome. you're welcome. i carry you like atlas carries the globe. >> oh, my gosh. nothing. i'm not going to go there. >> what was your old nickname? >> i never had an old nickname. >> that's what you think. >> well, mr. don lemon, superhero. so i got to tell you -- >> please. >> you said the deal making. wasn't the deal -- remember the original deal that he was supposed to make? >> no. >> mexico was going to pay for that wall. >> oh, yes, that deal. >> what happened? >> it didn't happen. >> that didn't ha